Black Lives in Global Contexts: Erasure - Shared screen with speaker view
Suzanne Menghraj
Please feel free to write comments and questions here in the chat. We’ll open discussion to attendees at about 1:00 pm.
Carlos Vargas Fuster
Hello! Where will the recording of the event be posted?
Suzanne Menghraj
Yes, the event is being recorded. Thank you for asking! Please reach out to me if you’d like access. We’ll also include links to this recording and the preceding session’s recording in subsequent series invitations.
Ida Chavoshan
Thank you, Ifeona and Minu! I’ve learned so much from this discussion.
Carlos Vargas Fuster
One of the best discussions if been to so far 👏🏽 Amazing.
Natalie Crue
This conversation has been incredibly rich
Carlos Vargas Fuster
"Oakes Ames […] was a nineteenth-century man of European descent: his sense of possession is funny now only because he is dead. On his way to Cuba, to visit Harvard's botany station there, he wrote to his wife, Blanche: "We are surrounded by the usual uninteresting people one meets on a journey to Cuba and back; people who are well enough to watch, but undesirable to meet." This is the kind of confidence you have when the world is yours." - My Garden (Book), Jamaica Kincaid
julie mostov
Wonderful ..thanks so much!
Nina d'Alessandro
Thank you for this wonderful presentation—it brings to mind the continued effort of the white power structure US, throughout this country’s history, to erase the African contribution to this nation’s rich music. It’s done so by seizing the narrative from the founding of this country, but most obviously in the 20th century with the emergence of jazz, and then all forms—blues, gospel, RnB to every form of popular music that has had such a powerful and wide influence on world culture and politics, even as Black presence and agency emerge . . . Comments appreciated . . .
Adedamola Osinulu
Wonderful conversation. Thanks to you both. I was wondering if you’d both be willing to talk about museums and curatorial practices with respect to erasure and the representation of African culture(s) and history…
Jill Salberg, Ph.D.
This has been a wonderfully rich and informative learning experience. As a psychoanalyst I can see the resonances in our now attempting to deconstruct Freud’s use of the “primitive” as part of the unconscious setting up a white western position of being developed and healthy, while the primitive and the savage as lesser and degraded.
Jeannine Chandler
We will discuss Nina’s point in the February panel on Black Live and K-pop— stay tuned!
Adedamola Osinulu
I send my students to the MET every year and they have quite a bit to say about the African exhibition.
Jeannine Chandler
Lives sorry
Kaia Shivers
Mine. Wonderful start to talk about Egypt and Zimbabwe. Have you heard of the work being done in regards to the singers in the Egyptian courts were people captured at the end of the Nile River in Uganda who are considered the first blues singers.
Kaia Shivers
Mini I meant.
Jared Simard
Damola’s inquiry also brings to mind about the displacement of Egypt from Africa, which persists in Museums as well. Egypt is somehow curated as its own thing, rather than located within Africa….
Nancy Reale
Speaking of Zimbabwe, we shouldn’t neglect the wonderful spiritual mbira music that has been produced there—and its interactions with European music/culture.
Nina d'Alessandro
My students comment on the Egyptian artifacts at the MET centered around the wigs of Cleopatra: “I don’t care what anyone says,” one student said. “That’s a WEAVE.”
Nancy Reale
Following what has been said already about Egypt: little is discussed/taught about connections between ancient Egypt and Meroe/Nubia—as Minu began to say so eloquently.
Jared Simard
Minu’s discussion of Zimbabwe struck me as very similar to the contemporary and on the air TV show Ancient Aliens, which also furthers a white supremacy ideology that just can’t accept the Egyptians IN Africa built the pyramids, or the Aztec and Maya with their pyramids. So how we view and teach the ancient world is incredibly important so we can equip our students to recognize these erasures.
Adedamola Osinulu
I know the exhibit but I didn’t see it in person.
Carlos Vargas Fuster
Why Marlon James (author of A Brief History of Seven Killings) Decided to Write an African “Game of Thrones”: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/28/why-marlon-james-decided-to-write-an-african-game-of-thrones
Jared Simard
It’s very much epistemic violence, it airs on the HISTORY channel
Nina d'Alessandro
But we have to bring in blackness in every discipline and class—not only bringing attention to the fact that these are black contributions but also as human expression/contribution to whatever field . . . The Black Curriculum can’t only be separately introduced and taught. The Black presence must be in everywhere . . . (I may not be making the clearly articulated sense I want here, but I’ll take the risk of putting this hasty statement out here . . .
Kaia Shivers
Great points of showing the overlapping Ifeona. The Negritude movement grows out of the Nardal sisters who were from Martinique and had weekly salons at their house with those from the French colonies. Much of their beginnings start with seeing Anna Julia Cooper defending her dissertation at the Sarbonne on US slavery.
D Simmons Jendayi
UPCOMING EVENTS IN THIS SERIES:Friday, November 20 | 12:00 - 1:30 PMBlack Lives in Global Contexts: Racial CapitalismThursday, December 3 | 5:00 - 7:00 PMLiberal Studies Global Lecture Series featuring Dr. Keisha N. BlainThe Struggle for Black Lives: Global Visions and Historical LegaciesFriday, February 19 | 12:00 - 1:30 PMBlack Lives in Global Contexts: K-Pop
Natalie Crue
Encore coming soon? lol
Nina d'Alessandro
Jeannine Chandler
Thank you everyone!
Aminata Drame
Thank you for such a great conversation!
Paul B. Tucker
Thank you so much!
D Simmons Jendayi
Wonderful discussion - thankk you!!
Wendell Thomas
Thanks! This was great!!!
Carlos Vargas Fuster
I agree with Nina, I think that setting all this apart from THE curriculum instead of actually do an integration of both is not a good enough effort.
Jared Simard
Fabulous presentation and discussion. Thanks Minu and Ifeona <3
James Polchin
Many thanks Minu and Ifeona and Suzanne for this brilliant conversation
Carlos Vargas Fuster
This has been truly amazing
Justin Pilozo
Thank you so much for a wonderful and engaging conversation!!
Busola George
This was so wonderful thank you!
Adedamola Osinulu
Excellent discussion
Nancy Reale
Thanks to all!
Jill Salberg, Ph.D.
Deeply appreciative. Many thanks,
Tal Correm
Thanks so much Ifeona and Minu for this excellent presentation!
Kaia Shivers
julie mostov
Fabulous! Thanks much..and Thanks to our partners OGI
Kaia Shivers
JIll Owens
Thank you for such a wonderful program!
Richard Rookwood
Thank you very much!
Suzanne Menghraj
Those interested in our first session’s discussion on migration can listen and watch here: https://nyu.zoom.us/rec/share/fRMlkdqmgX5LFY7v1EaF_1sJ9vzleJqWe2aUH1GWNavoF89OTiGx3ycdW7GI1ASP.UUri1XhDYI-OZM5m
Nina d'Alessandro
Thank you, Carlos—what I mean to say is that we need both separate vehicles/courses for examining Black issues, but we have to bring it into all curricula, all classes. Otherwise it continues to be seen as separate, kind of like Black History Month, if you get what I mean . .
D Simmons Jendayi
UPCOMING EVENTS IN THIS SERIES:Friday, November 20 | 12:00 - 1:30 PMBlack Lives in Global Contexts: Racial CapitalismThursday, December 3 | 5:00 - 7:00 PMLiberal Studies Global Lecture Series featuring Dr. Keisha N. BlainThe Struggle for Black Lives: Global Visions and Historical LegaciesFriday, February 19 | 12:00 - 1:30 PMBlack Lives in Global Contexts: K-Pop
Carlos Vargas Fuster
I do!
Adedamola Osinulu
Thanks organizers!
Aziza Taylor
Thank you!
D Simmons Jendayi
AMAZING JOB! Get it Suzanne, Ifeona, Minu! :)